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welcome back to the ufo rabbit hole

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podcast i'm your host kelly chase

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today we return with part two of mr de

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long goes to washington

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if you haven't heard part one you'll

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want to go back to the previous episode

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to get caught up or much of what follows

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won't make a lot of sense so let's dive

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right in when we last saw our hero tom

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delong he was basking in the glow of a

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seemingly impossible victory not only

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proving that his shadowy advisors within

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the government were real

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but leveraging those relationships to do

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something that no one has ever been able

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to do before

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forced the pentagon to admit that ufos

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are real

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so what's going on with tom delong and

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his illustrious colleagues at the to the

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stars academy of arts and sciences now

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did they accomplish their mission

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that depends on who you ask

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on the one hand since ttsa's formation

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in 2017 the organization has succeeded

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more spectacularly in the disclosure

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effort than anyone ever has before

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and in the history books they alone will

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have the distinction of being the ones

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that forced the pentagon to admit that

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the ufo phenomenon was real

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the importance and impact of that one

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accomplishment really can't be

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overstated and the impact is still being

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felt

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however

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i think that the public's reaction to

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these events or more accurately the

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public's lack of reaction was as

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surprising to the members of ttsa as it

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was to anyone else who was actually

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paying attention

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there was the press conference

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the new york times article the

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declassified videos an actual admission

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from the pentagon and a report handed

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over to congress that admittedly didn't

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say much but what it did say was

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earth-shattering that ufos are both real

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and not human technology

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but somehow the earth wasn't shattered

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these were b stories in the 24-hour

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outrage cycle of the news media that was

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at the time deliriously glutted with the

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chaos of the pandemic in the election

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breathlessly analyzing and pontificating

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on each and every one of the president's

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tweets the revolution was here the end

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was nigh and all of it apparently was

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going to be televised

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a few weeks before i started this

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podcast i started to ask my friends and

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family a question what would it take for

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you to take the ufo issue seriously

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i wasn't trying to change anyone's mind

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or to tell them what i believed i just

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listened to what they had to say

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and of those i talked to most of them

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said some version of the same thing

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which is summed up well by this comment

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from someone i know quote i guess it

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depends on what you mean by ufos there

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are certainly things flying around that

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we can't immediately identify if you're

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talking about the idea of beings from

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off the planet coming to visit i guess

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as long as they choose to do it

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clandestinely we will never know

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beings with sufficient technology to get

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here probably have sufficient technology

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to hide from us

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if that's so there's really no effect on

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my life or anyone else's if a tree falls

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in the woods and no one hears it etc if

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they decide to reveal themselves it

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really won't be a question anymore and

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the potential result is completely

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unpredictable in the end there is really

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nothing actionable regarding the

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so it's hard for me to take it seriously

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i suspect that this is how most people

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think and as a result disclosure of the

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existence of ufos though undeniably

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monumental had little to no impact on

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the public consciousness

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it's becoming clear that disclosure

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won't be a singular event but a much

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longer and more complicated process that

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will unfold over time

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whether there ever is that

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earth-shattering event that suddenly

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snaps the public consciousness into

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focus on this topic remains to be seen

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but it certainly feels farther off than

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it did when ttsa took to the stage for

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the first time

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and ttsa itself has changed in both

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shape and substance in the years since

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in december 2020 lou elizondo chris

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mellon and steve justice left ttsa

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though jim summervin and hal put off

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still remain part of the team

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still

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many perceived this exit as almost an

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admission of defeat for the organization

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or at the very least for delong himself

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for his part tom de long says that this

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changeup was caused partly due to the

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impact of kovid on his ability to

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attract investors to his admittedly high

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risk projects

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and in february 2021 papers were filed

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with the sec indicating that ttsa would

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be abandoning its science and technology

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initiatives and focusing solely on the

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entertainment division

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the splits seem to be amicable at least

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and there appears to be no bad blood

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among the original team members

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in an interview with george knapp on

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coast to coast shortly after the split

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lou elizondo said

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i love my friends at ttsa they are

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incredible human beings but i also have

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to say my mission has always been very

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clear and that was to push disclosure

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forward that's it i think after three

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years you know i can look back and i

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think we've achieved much of what we've

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set out to do

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ttsa it's no secret also focuses on its

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entertainment division and let's face it

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guys like chris mellon and steve justice

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and myself were not entertainers

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so very much like the history channel

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project we have accomplished our mission

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mission success we have done more in

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three years collectively than anybody i

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think really expected us to achieve end

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and i agree

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i think the only real fault that you can

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assign to ttsa and what they've managed

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to accomplish

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is just that they didn't manage to

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accomplish all of the things that they

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set out to accomplish

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but i also think that that bar is too

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high to really be a fair one

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the original scope and substance of the

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ttsa mission was sweeping to the point

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of being grandiose

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among the many ttsa projects touted by

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de long was an effort to reverse

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engineer a ufo from recovered crash

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materials that he claimed to have in his

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possession

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and honestly

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that just makes me smile because who

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would attempt such a thing

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and of the people who would attempt it

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who would say it aloud knowing that they

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could still fail

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tummed along that's who

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and though his reach may have thus far

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exceeded his grasp if it weren't for the

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absurd grandiosity of his vision and his

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dogged inexhaustible pursuit of it

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none of this ever would have happened

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he may not be batting a thousand but

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anyone who would take a bet against tom

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delong accomplishing whatever he puts

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his mind to

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simply hasn't been paying attention

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so

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given all that we've just discussed

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you would think that tom delong would be

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the undisputed hero of the ufo community

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on the back of good old-fashioned hard

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work and shoe leather he somehow managed

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to penetrate the shadowy upper echelons

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of the united states military and

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intelligence apparatus earning not just

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the support but the apparent trust of

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some incredibly important people

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he assembled what can only be described

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as the avengers of ufo disclosure who

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together managed to force congress the

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mainstream media and the public at large

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to at least begin to recognize the

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reality of the ufo phenomenon and begin

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to reckon with the enormity of the

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challenge that lies ahead

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and finally as if that wasn't enough

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his work directly led to the first ever

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declassified videos of ufos being

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released and acknowledged to the public

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along with the long-awaited admission

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that these craft are real

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and yet

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the reality is that tom delong remains a

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controversial figure within the ufo

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community

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so what gives i think that there are a

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few different reasons that this is the

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case

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the first is that some people are

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concerned about having tom delong as the

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face of the ufo disclosure movement

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because they don't think that he always

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presents the community in the best light

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and having spent decades fighting

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against stigma and ridicule

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many in the community believe that we

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need to be putting forward leaders who

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are serious credible and credentialed in

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order to bring more legitimacy to the

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topic

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and the reality is that despite being a

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wildly successful musician singer

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songwriter author record producer actor

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filmmaker and serial entrepreneur

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the image of de long and his bandmates

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streaking naked through the streets in

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the video for what's my age again has

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been hard for tom to shake much to his

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chagrin

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and to be frank despite de long's

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obvious desire to be taken seriously for

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his artistic entrepreneurial and even

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scholarly pursuits he often hasn't done

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himself any favors in this department

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he seemingly never lost the conviction

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that he's held since childhood that he

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could make his own way while being

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unapologetically himself

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though clearly brilliant and

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staggeringly well read in interviews

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delong can sometimes come across as

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scattered careening brazenly from one

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shocking statement to the next in a

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matter that can somehow come across as

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both overly casual and grandiose

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it can be hard to know what to make of

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him especially when the things that he

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says sound so entirely outrageous and

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over the top in their fantastic and

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conspiratorial nature that even among

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the ufo community there are certain

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segments that still believe him to be

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entirely unhinged and that's really

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saying something

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the fact that he's as likely to hit you

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with a dick joke as he is with the

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details of quantum mechanics or advanced

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propulsion systems doesn't really help

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matters

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the second reason for delong's

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controversial status within the ufo

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community

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boils down to jealousy or at least

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something adjacent to it for those of us

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who believe that the study of the ufo

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phenomenon has the potential to unlock a

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new phase of human evolution and i say

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us because i count myself among them

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it can be hard to separate your desire

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to move disclosure forward from an

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all-too-human desire to be somehow

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important in doing so

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it's the very essence of what it means

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to be human to search for meaning and

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purpose in our lives and what could be

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more meaningful than playing a role in

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humankind awakening to the reality that

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we are not alone and perhaps never have

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been

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it has all the makings not just a future

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history but of legend

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it can be hard not to want to cast

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yourself in a leading role in a story

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like that

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it's also important to recognize that

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there have been so many members of the

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ufo community who have toiled in

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obscurity for years if not decades

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silenced ridiculed and ignored

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who took on the herculean and entirely

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thankless task of carrying the torch for

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this movement

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long before the pentagon's recent

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admission on the reality of the ufo

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phenomenon made the subject at least

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somewhat palatable for the mainstream

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media or the public at large

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and i think it can be tough for some

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people to have this cocky literal rock

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star

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who looks and often acts like the skater

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dude in high school who would sell you

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drugs and then steal your girlfriend

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come in and become not just the face of

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but perhaps one of the most important

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figures ever in the disclosure movement

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obviously this perspective fails to give

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de long the credit that he is due for

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imagining and then pulling off the

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impossible

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but it's not hard to understand how

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people end up there or to have

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compassion for their stance unfair as it

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may be

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the third reason that many in the ufo

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community are suspicious of de long is

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that his work with ufos is deeply tied

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to his business ventures

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de long's vision for his role in the

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future of ufo disclosure involves a

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multimedia empire books albums movie

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franchises merchandise and more

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and for many this alone is enough cause

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to question his motivations

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within the ufo community there is a near

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ubiquitous suspicion of people who have

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monetized their work within the movement

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and for good reason

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as i'm sure you can imagine there are

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plenty of charlatans and hucksters in

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the ufo world who exploit the

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unquestioning belief of some of the more

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vulnerable members of the community

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claiming special knowledge and often the

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ability to facilitate contact between

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their followers and extraterrestrial or

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interdimensional beings

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too often it starts innocently enough

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selling books and training courses maybe

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making a documentary or two but

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somewhere along the way the whole thing

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just takes a sharp left turn into cult

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territory and suddenly they aren't just

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a researcher but some kind of messiah

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destined to usher in a new age of human

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evolution as we take our rightful seat

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as children of the cosmos or whatever

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it doesn't help that de long has at

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times aligned himself with some of these

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figures including dr steven greer

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yes the same dr steven greer with whom

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it is speculated that de long had his

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first encounter that caused him to quit

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blink 182 to pursue disclosure full-time

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although greer was the driving force

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behind the notable but ultimately

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unsuccessful disclosure project of the

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early 2000s he has earned criticism over

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the years for monetizing his ce5

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techniques

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for years greer has charged would-be

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experiencers for ce5 sessions in remote

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areas where they attempt to make contact

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with ufos

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he also offers training for people to

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become ambassadors who are then licensed

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to go teach ce5 on their own

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not only has greer been persistently

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dogged by rumors that he fakes ufo

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encounters during his ce5 sessions which

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happen almost exclusively at night using

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flares

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but his business model has often been

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compared to multi-level marketing aka a

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pyramid scheme

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breer has not done himself any favors in

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the credibility department making

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increasingly bizarre claims including

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that he was offered 2 billion by the

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government to stop talking about ufos

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which he allegedly refused he's also

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come out strongly against ttsa

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citing the counterintelligence

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backgrounds of several of its members

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including lou elizondo and claiming that

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the work that they're doing is a

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disinformation campaign that is likely a

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lead up to a staged alien invasion

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anyway i bring this all up as a side

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note because i think all of this could

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explain why de long hasn't said that dr

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greer is the ufologist with whom he had

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his first encounter with the phenomenon

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even though it's fairly clear that it

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could be almost no one else

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possibly because of greer's

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deteriorating reputation and even more

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likely because of greer's objections to

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his methods and the company that he

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keeps

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but there's one more interesting

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possibility which is that

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if it's true that dr stephen grier does

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in fact fake ufo encounters for both

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clout and cash

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wouldn't he be highly motivated to

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produce results for someone like tom

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delong

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you have to wonder if part of the reason

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that de long doesn't say his name is

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because it calls that whole story into

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question

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did he really have an otherworldly

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experience out there in the desert or

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was he the victim of a seasoned con man

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to be honest it truly doesn't matter

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either way

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none of that can diminish the importance

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or impact of the work that followed nor

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does that one individual experience have

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any bearing on whether or not the

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phenomenon itself is real

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but it is interesting to think about

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anyway although there are plenty of

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people in the ufo community who aren't

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afraid to stretch or even completely

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manufacture the truth in order to make a

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buck

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with an estimated net worth of 70

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million it seems unlikely that that's

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tom delong's motivation

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and when you're talking about funding

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everything from major motion picture

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franchises to reverse engineering exotic

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materials from ufo crash sites

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it's possible and even likely that

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delong has sunk more money into this

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project than he's ever taken out of it

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another reason that some are suspicious

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of tom de long is because they don't

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understand why of all the people in the

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world he was chosen to be the person to

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receive access to privileged information

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and allowed to be the face of what looks

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to be a sincere effort to pursue

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disclosure led by individuals within the

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government

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there's been tons of speculation about

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why it was him

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some people think that by making him the

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face of the project that they had

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plausible deniability if the whole thing

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blew up and could easily throw him under

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the bus as just another delusional ufo

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kook

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others think that he's a useful idiot

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being used as the face of one of the

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largest scale disinformation campaigns

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in our nation's history

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but at least in my opinion no

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explanation seems to fit quite as well

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as the one given by tom himself

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that he was chosen because he was the

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one who showed up

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because he had some lucky breaks because

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he pushed the envelope when others would

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have shied away

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because he treated the topic and those

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involved with respect but most

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importantly because he came to them with

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a solution to a problem

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and that right there is probably the

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biggest sticking point within the ufo

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community

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that the pitch that seemingly got him in

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front of these high-ranking officials

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was one about helping the youth become

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less cynical about the

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military-industrial complex

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we'll get more into the specifics of

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what tom believes in just a sec i swear

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but suffice it to say that he sees the

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military-industrial complex as just one

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part of a necessary and even heroic

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international effort to respond to the

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biggest threat that our planet has ever

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faced

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as the general said it was the cold war

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and they found a life form and

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everything that they did after that at

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least in this version of the story was

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in order to protect the american people

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and allow them to live normal lives

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while also moving heaven and earth to

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give them a fighting chance at fighting

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back against this potential enemy with

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technology far beyond our understanding

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and that right there for many in the ufo

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community and elsewhere is a cardinal

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sin

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taking the side of the

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military-industrial complex

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i'll admit that for me it's a

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particularly hard pill to swallow

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but could there be something to what

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delong is saying or at the very least

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something we can learn from it

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and i think that there is

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it's difficult to put yourself in the

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position of someone who at the end of

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world war ii the most horrible war our

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species has ever known

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and in the early throes of the cold war

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with a threat of nuclear war looming

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large in the public consciousness

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had to make the decision about whether

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or not to tell the american people in

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the world that we'd not only discovered

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an intelligent life form but one with

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capabilities beyond our understanding i

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might even argue that it's impossible to

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truly put yourself in their shoes

561
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,600
but after the events of the last few

562
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:30,080
years i think it's not too difficult to

563
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,760
imagine what it was like to be just a

564
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,159
private citizen during that time the

565
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,000
burning desire and the desperate need

566
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,799
for stability after a time of crisis for

567
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,280
reassurance instead of despair and the

568
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:43,360
hope that life could one day be boring

569
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:44,320
again

570
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,400
and we see that desire of the american

571
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,480
people made manifest in the culture of

572
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,840
the 50s

573
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,919
and from that perspective you can at

574
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,840
least make a case for why the powers

575
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:55,679
that be may have chosen to keep this

576
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:56,640
quiet

577
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,080
and then when things happened that they

578
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,480
couldn't explain like hypothetically a

579
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,400
ufo crash in the desert

580
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,559
they had to tell a lie to cover it up

581
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,919
and then another

582
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,200
and another

583
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:09,919
because that's the thing about lies they

584
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:11,520
tend to pile up

585
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,360
and when you break a rule once it

586
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,760
becomes easier and easier to justify

587
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:17,440
doing it in the future

588
00:21:21,669 --> 00:21:20,000
the road to hell as they say is paved

589
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,679
with good intentions

590
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:23,600
could it be that the culture of secrecy

591
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:26,080
that grew up around the ufo phenomenon

592
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:28,720
was put in place to protect us

593
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,840
perhaps but it's hard to deny that even

594
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,080
if the original intentions were good

595
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,320
that at some point along the way things

596
00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:39,280
spun wildly out of control

597
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:41,039
information about the phenomenon is

598
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,559
jealously guarded by those at the

599
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,400
highest levels of our government and

600
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:45,919
stove piped across different

601
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,720
intelligence agencies military branches

602
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,039
and even private corporations to an

603
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,600
extreme that many question whether the

604
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:55,600
president is even read into the most

605
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,480
highly classified intelligence on ufos

606
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,200
creating an illegal and undemocratic

607
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:02,960
lack of oversight over something

608
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,679
critical to our national security

609
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,520
but it's more than just that

610
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,679
the government has lied to the american

611
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,240
people launch disinformation campaigns

612
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:14,799
that ruin the lives and livelihoods of

613
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,360
countless experiencers many of whom are

614
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:20,000
members of our own military and if we're

615
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,240
being honest probably much much worse

616
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,640
and on top of that if the government has

617
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:28,799
recovered exotic materials from ufo

618
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,760
crashes it seems likely that contracts

619
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,440
would have been secretly awarded to

620
00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:36,240
select aerospace and defense companies

621
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,200
potentially giving them access to

622
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,640
paradigm-breaking technology to the

623
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,280
clear detriment of their competitors

624
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:45,200
and many people's response to all of

625
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:46,720
this is basically

626
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,919
those guys they lied they broke the

627
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,240
law they broke their oath of office to

628
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,559
serve and protect the constitution

629
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,880
the ufo files need to be unsealed and

630
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,799
those responsible for the cover-up need

631
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,480
to be held accountable

632
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:01,760
and honestly

633
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:04,880
it's hard to find a flaw in that logic

634
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:07,280
the problem is that faced with that sort

635
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,400
of outcome

636
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:10,960
it seems unlikely that anyone who is in

637
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,039
an actual position within the government

638
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,440
to lead the charge on disclosure could

639
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,919
be compelled to actually do so

640
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,840
they'd be effectively sending themselves

641
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,440
and probably many of the people that

642
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:23,360
they've known and worked with for years

643
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:26,799
and even decades to the firing squad

644
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:28,320
and beyond just what they'd be doing to

645
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,520
themselves

646
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,520
there's what that kind of revelation has

647
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,240
the potential to do to our country

648
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,480
one can only imagine the endless court

649
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:38,480
hearings and tribunals as they try to

650
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:40,880
decide who owns what and who is

651
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,679
responsible and for what and how much

652
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,679
how long would that drag out and at what

653
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,760
cost to our nation both actual and

654
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,360
spiritual

655
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,440
who would sign up for that who would

656
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:52,880
make that call

657
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,120
and if you did somehow work up the guts

658
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,039
to do the right thing

659
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,640
would you know for sure that it was the

660
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,919
right thing

661
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,320
i don't think it's that easy anymore too

662
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:04,240
much time has passed too much has

663
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,520
happened

664
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,600
but what i see in tom's story is not

665
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:10,799
just hope but a way forward because when

666
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:13,679
offered just the tiniest sliver of hope

667
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,279
that there might be a way out of the

668
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,600
lies and secrecy without burning

669
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,919
everything to the ground in the process

670
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,159
look at how many people in powerful

671
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,400
positions across the military industrial

672
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,200
complex answered that call

673
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,799
you don't need to believe what tom

674
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,200
delonge believes or even to approve of

675
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,360
his methods to recognize that his

676
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:36,159
approach is more than likely a big part

677
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,600
of the reason that he's been so

678
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,039
successful

679
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,840
and speaking of what tom delong believes

680
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,240
it's finally time to talk about it but

681
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,120
to be honest it kind of freaks me out

682
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,720
like that makes me want to sleep with

683
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,039
the light on kind of freaks me out

684
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,039
award-winning investigative journalist

685
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:54,880
and author of in plain sight an

686
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,360
investigation into ufos and impossible

687
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,440
science ross coldheart

688
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,760
perfectly explained why in an interview

689
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,360
on theories of everything with kurt

690
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:04,960
jaimungle

691
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,640
have you heard of the proposition that

692
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,400
the aliens are concerned with us

693
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,640
starting a war rather than stopping a

694
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,440
war

695
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,799
that they feed off of suffering

696
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:16,720
oh god now you're getting really

697
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,159
depressed please give me hope i like to

698
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,159
i like to think of benevolence

699
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,000
intelligence i like to think that

700
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,840
something that's vastly technologically

701
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,159
superior to us probably more intelligent

702
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,960
than us has developed a moral values

703
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:32,799
system that understands the importance

704
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:35,360
of utilitarian ideas and

705
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,640
moral decency and ethical values

706
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,720
tom de long freaked me out i spent a lot

707
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,720
of time listening to tom de long's

708
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:44,960
interviews where he was talking about

709
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:46,799
what he'd been told

710
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,600
by

711
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,240
the general and other people inside

712
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:52,640
intelligent services before he went

713
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:58,080
public with tgsa in 2016-2017

714
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,039
and

715
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,880
you know i actually think it's really

716
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,559
interesting because he talked about

717
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:04,799
warring gods and

718
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,600
jealous gods and i thought it was crazy

719
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,960
and then

720
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,039
the dnc leak happened

721
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,000
and it turned out that he really was

722
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,159
talking i mean it's beyond doubt people

723
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,320
don't realize this again it's just an

724
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,320
amazing oversight by mainstream media

725
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:22,320
that they haven't picked up on this

726
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:25,120
the leaked wikileaks emails leaked by

727
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:27,760
the russian gdiu believe it or not who

728
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,880
hacked the democratic national committee

729
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,200
who tried to gain intelligence that

730
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:35,039
might help trump win against hillary

731
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:36,240
clinton

732
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,000
the dnc emails show irrefutably that tom

733
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,320
delong was telling the truth

734
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:43,679
when he said that he was in

735
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,480
communication with generals general neil

736
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:49,360
mccaslin general michael carey

737
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,440
robert weiss of skunk works lockheed

738
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,799
martin

739
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,320
john podesta

740
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,720
and other senior officers in space

741
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,120
command central intelligence agency and

742
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,799
different sections of the u.s military

743
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,200
were giving this punk rock rock star

744
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,360
briefings talking to him about what they

745
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:07,440
knew

746
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:13,510
journalists look for evidence you look

747
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,679
for corroborative evidence and so i'd

748
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,440
listen to tom and i like everybody else

749
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,880
i've giggled i thought this guy's

750
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:21,200
completely bananas you know there's one

751
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,720
particular coast-to-coast interview

752
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,440
where i just got nuts

753
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:27,600
and then i remember feeling very humbled

754
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:29,679
and quite ashamed of myself when i

755
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,559
realized oh my god i'm going through the

756
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,200
dnc emails and going

757
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,279
hell's bells if he was telling the truth

758
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,799
about this

759
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,480
could it be he was telling the truth

760
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:42,960
about the general when the general said

761
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,919
it was the cold war and we found a life

762
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,200
form

763
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,120
could it be possibly true that the

764
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,200
general did say that to him

765
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,039
and if he didn't why would tom lie about

766
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,880
that

767
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,640
i remember listening to this interview

768
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,799
the first time and feeling this weird

769
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,360
but overwhelming sense of relief to hear

770
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,200
someone as well respected and clear

771
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,760
thinking as ross coldheart say that tom

772
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:07,679
delonge freaked him out

773
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,720
because i felt the same way i too was

774
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,360
starting to wonder if i was crazy

775
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,919
and it's not as simple as just well he

776
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,679
said these crazy things that turned out

777
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,000
to be true so all these other crazy

778
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:22,000
things he says must be true

779
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:24,320
a child can see through that logic

780
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,480
it would be extremely easy to dismiss

781
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,240
any and everything that he said as

782
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:31,039
delusional if that's all it was

783
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,799
the real sticking point is that the

784
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,120
people with whom he has been in contact

785
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,279
were the exact people who would have had

786
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,240
real answers about the ufo phenomenon if

787
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,000
there were any to be had

788
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,640
and these people not only briefed tom on

789
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,960
elements of the phenomenon but several

790
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,039
of them came out of the shadows for the

791
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:52,320
first time at great personal cost to

792
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,600
join him in his work with ttsa

793
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,760
some of these people including retired

794
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,480
cia officer jim simavin and physicist

795
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,440
hal puthoff still work directly with tom

796
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:04,720
and although some of the founding

797
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:07,360
members of ttsa have since moved on to

798
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,600
pursue other disclosure efforts and

799
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,440
although they do tend to shy away from

800
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,080
some of tom's bolder claims when asked

801
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,720
they have never denounced him and seemed

802
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,799
to remain on friendly terms

803
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:20,480
and more importantly

804
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,559
they joined ttsa in 2017 at the time

805
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,120
when tom was giving his most unfiltered

806
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,760
and shocking interviews and they joined

807
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,840
his organization and went on a media

808
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,360
tour with him anyway

809
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,600
not departing the company until three

810
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,880
years later

811
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,120
all of that seems highly unlikely if

812
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,960
what tom was saying about the nature of

813
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:42,960
the phenomenon was simply the product of

814
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,919
an unstable paranoid mind

815
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,159
so this leaves us with only two options

816
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,760
as far as i can see

817
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,399
either one at least some significant

818
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,720
portion of what tom delong believes is

819
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:56,559
more or less true

820
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,039
or this whole thing has been one

821
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,440
enormous disinformation campaign meant

822
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,399
to befuddle and confuse to what end we

823
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,159
really can't be sure

824
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,440
and listen

825
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,279
i know i've gotten very excited about

826
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,520
this whole story but that doesn't mean

827
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,039
that i've entirely abandoned the

828
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:14,960
possibility that this could all be a

829
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,679
disinformation campaign if only because

830
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,520
given the two possibilities that i just

831
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,679
mentioned it's the only one that doesn't

832
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:23,279
break my brain and make me want to never

833
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,640
sleep again

834
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:26,880
but i will say that if this has been a

835
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,799
disinformation campaign

836
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,640
it's not been a very good one

837
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,279
because despite all of the press and

838
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,120
interviews and the legislation and the

839
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,880
television shows and the admissions from

840
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,960
the pentagon itself

841
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,720
how many people are really talking about

842
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,919
this

843
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,760
just doing the research for these two

844
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,840
episodes took literal months to put

845
00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:47,919
together because it's scattered across

846
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,080
the internet in podcast interviews

847
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,799
youtube videos books rambling reddit

848
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,720
threads and the occasional article from

849
00:30:58,710 --> 00:30:57,600
the real media that barely scratches the

850
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:58,720
surface

851
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:00,880
beyond a dedicated few in the ufo

852
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,360
community there's almost no one looking

853
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,200
at the whole picture of this story and

854
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,279
trying to figure out what the actual

855
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:09,360
is going on here

856
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,320
so if this was it if this was their big

857
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,760
plan for some sort of massive

858
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,000
disinformation campaign

859
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,399
then where is it they had a

860
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,799
multi-millionaire rock star in the prime

861
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,640
of his career with a growing media

862
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,120
company at their full disposal

863
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,600
and they did what with that exactly

864
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:29,519
if you ask 10 people on the street who

865
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:32,000
lou elizondo is how many people do you

866
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:33,360
think would know

867
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,039
where i'm from i'd say one on a good day

868
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,640
and what about all of these people in

869
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,159
different parts of the government who've

870
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,399
been working tirelessly for disclosure

871
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,000
over the past four years since the new

872
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,399
york times article first dropped don't

873
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,840
you think that they would have gotten

874
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,440
further in getting the attention of the

875
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:51,840
greater public if they actually had the

876
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,360
full force of the united states

877
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,039
government at their backs instead of in

878
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:57,039
their faces actively trying to silence

879
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,320
them

880
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,880
because to be clear there are those

881
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:02,320
within the government who are working

882
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,519
against them

883
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,919
there have been well-documented efforts

884
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,080
to subvert and sabotage the gillibrand

885
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,480
amendment legislation that first became

886
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,880
law in december calling for the creation

887
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,120
of an independent office to investigate

888
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:18,080
ufos for the first time with the direct

889
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,080
oversight of congress and a board of

890
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,399
mostly civilian advisors

891
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,720
and lou elizondo has been the subject of

892
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,519
particularly vicious threats and attacks

893
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,519
and the inspector general has opened a

894
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,600
case to investigate the illegal and

895
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,240
mysterious deletion of all of his

896
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,799
records and emails from his time at atip

897
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:39,679
in a blatant attempt to discredit him

898
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,799
in short i find basically everything

899
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,399
that tom delong has said about the

900
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,799
nature of the phenomenon to be very hard

901
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:47,840
to believe

902
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,519
given the extraordinary and

903
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,279
extraordinarily well documented

904
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,840
circumstances that he's crazy or making

905
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:57,279
it all up

906
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,559
so finally

907
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,679
what does tom delonge actually believe

908
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,679
his views are as sweeping as they are

909
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,919
bizarre and i've done my best to collect

910
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,679
them and put them into some sort of

911
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,760
coherent narrative based on things he

912
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:11,279
said in interviews and what was written

913
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,480
in his books

914
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,559
this list is probably not entirely

915
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,399
accurate as his views may have changed

916
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,640
over time and they certainly aren't

917
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:20,000
comprehensive

918
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:20,799
but

919
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:23,279
here we go here is a peek into the

920
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,039
universe according to tom delong

921
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,200
let's start at the beginning

922
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,679
god is real the summation of all the

923
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,440
laws of physics and the source of

924
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,799
consciousness

925
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,559
god is love

926
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:38,399
and the universe is teeming with

927
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,840
intelligent life

928
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,679
some primitive and some more advanced

929
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:43,600
than we can comprehend

930
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,640
some flesh and blood some inorganic

931
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,480
some artificial and many with

932
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,600
capabilities beyond our understanding

933
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,279
there are several different groups and

934
00:33:57,029 --> 00:33:54,720
species of entities that are

935
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:57,039
particularly interested in earth and in

936
00:34:00,509 --> 00:33:58,159
humans

937
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:00,519
are ufos extraterrestrial

938
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,960
ultra-terrestrial interdimensional

939
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:04,159
temporal

940
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,519
in a word

941
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:06,880
yes

942
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,919
his advisors call them the others

943
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,079
one or more of these groups somehow

944
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,000
meddled with the primates native to this

945
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,159
planet to create humans

946
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:18,960
were engineered in some way perhaps even

947
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,240
hybrids but of what we don't know why

948
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:24,720
there's so much interest in humans maybe

949
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:26,560
there's something different about us

950
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,200
maybe we were never supposed to be made

951
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:30,960
maybe we are possessions and they are

952
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,359
guarding us like livestock

953
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,879
the others have been here since the

954
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,119
beginning of human civilization which

955
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:39,200
itself is much older than we had ever

956
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,320
imagined

957
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,879
there have been many cycles of history

958
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,960
each ending in calamity at the hands of

959
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,159
the others

960
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:48,480
what we consider to be human history is

961
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:50,879
just the most recent cycle

962
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,679
atlantis was real a great civilization

963
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,440
that thrived because it had a way of

964
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,000
defending itself against the others

965
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,920
the others eventually destroyed them for

966
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,520
their hubris

967
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:03,599
to me the single most shocking thing

968
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:05,599
that tom delong has said

969
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,280
is that in the beginning stages of

970
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,040
meeting his advisors that it was his

971
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,119
pitch that got him in the door but it

972
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,040
was something else that seemed to be the

973
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,920
key to these people taking him seriously

974
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,160
and that was the idea that the entire

975
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:20,960
ufo phenomenon is about multiple

976
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,720
gods with a little g

977
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:24,880
that fight amongst themselves and by

978
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,760
design factionalize mankind into

979
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:29,760
different religions so that we fight

980
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,040
each other to what end we don't know

981
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,280
it might be some kind of proxy war it

982
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,079
might be for entertainment or as de long

983
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,880
has often suggested they might actually

984
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,880
feed off of the energy of human

985
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,400
suffering

986
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:47,440
during world war ii melanesian islanders

987
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,839
were exposed to modern technology for

988
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,119
the first time

989
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,280
and despite the raging war the vast

990
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,359
amount of food equipment and medical

991
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,520
supplies that were air dropped there

992
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,760
significantly improved the lives of many

993
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:01,200
of the islanders

994
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,359
to worship the planes that would do

995
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,440
these air drops thinking that they were

996
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,440
sent from the gods

997
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,240
this phenomenon is called a cargo cult

998
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,920
and according to de long that's

999
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,599
essentially what all of the major

1000
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,040
religions are

1001
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:19,119
cargo cults

1002
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,119
virtually all of the ancient religions

1003
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,960
and traditions talk of the time when

1004
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,280
gods walked among us or at least

1005
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,599
regularly made their presence felt

1006
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,160
and that actually happened but it wasn't

1007
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,440
god's walking among us it was the others

1008
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:36,079
our government is aware of this

1009
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:38,079
the roswell crash was the first time

1010
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,839
that we got our hands on this advanced

1011
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,119
technology

1012
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,359
this changed everything

1013
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,680
within three months of the roswell crash

1014
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,359
the air force was separated from the

1015
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:49,280
army the department of defense was

1016
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,480
created and the cia was created all to

1017
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:54,480
investigate and potentially defend the

1018
00:36:59,190 --> 00:36:57,200
country against this new threat but this

1019
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,200
also allowed them to stove pipe

1020
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,760
information so that only a few people at

1021
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,160
the top had the full story

1022
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:06,640
at nearly the same time in both russia

1023
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,599
and china there were similar crashes

1024
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,320
tom says this was intentional the others

1025
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,480
seemingly gave this technology to the

1026
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:16,560
three great world powers at the same

1027
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:17,599
time

1028
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,720
why

1029
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,800
tom has speculated that it could be to

1030
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,280
encourage more war or it might just be

1031
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,160
to see which of us is strongest

1032
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,920
the government hid what they knew from

1033
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,839
the public because they were also trying

1034
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,079
to hide what they knew from the others

1035
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:34,400
they built bases and testing facilities

1036
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,680
deep underground and grimly heroically

1037
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,200
got to work

1038
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,680
the cold war served as the perfect cover

1039
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:43,920
for decades of exorbitant spending and

1040
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,480
the stockpiling of advanced weaponry

1041
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,640
the united states and the soviet union

1042
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,520
were engaged in an intense standoff but

1043
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,520
the reason that the cold war never got

1044
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:56,079
hot was because behind the scenes they

1045
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,200
were working together against the others

1046
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,520
to protect this secret they launched a

1047
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:03,920
massive disinformation campaign starting

1048
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,680
with project blue book

1049
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,359
with project mockingbird they

1050
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,119
infiltrated the media to turn the

1051
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,520
narrative to make the subject of ufos

1052
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,640
taboo

1053
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,640
something that only kooks and conspiracy

1054
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,040
nuts would ever take seriously

1055
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,880
they started the conspiracy theory that

1056
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,640
the moon landing was fake to distract

1057
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,000
from the truth

1058
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,640
the apollo astronauts encountered ufos

1059
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,560
and intelligently built structures on

1060
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:27,680
the moon

1061
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,880
oceans and even underground

1062
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:34,880
abductions and cattle mutilations are

1063
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,520
real and these phenomena are closely

1064
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,599
tied to stories of demons

1065
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,400
these entities are one in the same

1066
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:44,000
there is at least one group of the

1067
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,079
others that hates humans that would

1068
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,079
destroy us if they could

1069
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,240
this may be because we have a soul and

1070
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,400
therefore a direct link to the loving

1071
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,480
eternal source that is god

1072
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,119
perhaps these beings don't have that

1073
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,599
perhaps advanced forms of ai don't have

1074
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,880
a soul

1075
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:03,119
or maybe it's more than just jealousy

1076
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,640
there is something about the ufo

1077
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:06,560
phenomenon that is deeply tied to

1078
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,760
consciousness

1079
00:39:11,990 --> 00:39:09,839
perhaps humans are much more powerful

1080
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,000
than we ever imagined perhaps we've

1081
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,720
forgotten who we are and maybe there are

1082
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,720
beings who would do anything to prevent

1083
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:18,560
us from remembering

1084
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,880
de long says an advisor told him that

1085
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:23,040
there's a black pyramid underground in

1086
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,240
alaska

1087
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,920
they discovered it when anomalous

1088
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:27,359
measurements showed up during an

1089
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,480
earthquake

1090
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,400
it's twice the size of the pyramid of

1091
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,920
giza and they've been studying it for

1092
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,040
years

1093
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,800
we finally figured out what it is his

1094
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,440
advisor told him it's suppressing human

1095
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,680
consciousness

1096
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:42,079
i could go on but i think you get the

1097
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,119
idea

1098
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,359
it's a lot

1099
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,520
which is why it's frankly kind of

1100
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,520
distressing that so much of what tom

1101
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,680
delonge has said has checked out and

1102
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,839
that so many of his advisors not only

1103
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:55,520
have been proven beyond a shadow of a

1104
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,760
doubt to be his advisors but are the

1105
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,440
very people within our government who

1106
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,359
would know whatever secrets they may be

1107
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,000
hiding about the ufo phenomenon

1108
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,240
i'm not saying that everything that tom

1109
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:08,560
delong is saying must be true

1110
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,839
but at least some of it almost has to be

1111
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:13,920
and any one of those things that i just

1112
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,560
told you would change everything

1113
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,200
taken as a whole it makes me wonder if

1114
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:20,960
anything that i once believed about the

1115
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,480
nature of my reality is true and that's

1116
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,720
the real takeaway here for me

1117
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,880
that when it comes to the true nature of

1118
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,680
the ufo phenomenon literally everything

1119
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,240
is on the table and it's clear that

1120
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:36,480
whatever the phenomenon is

1121
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the truth is sure to be stranger than

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fiction and will undoubtedly challenge

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our ideas about who we are and what

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place we hold in the cosmos

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so that's where we'll pick up next time

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by beginning to follow some of these

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threads of possibility to see where they

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might lead us

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and we'll begin this journey at the dawn

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of human civilization itself

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until next time